I agree with the comments that the 85 version is far more 'professional' than the 84 version.
I have a few questions though. As rewriting is an art and not a science, when should an agent/manager/prod-co get involved in the process?
We all get scripts to a stage where we think it is ready for people to read them.
What's the story with BTTF? When did someone else's input shape the script?
It's difficult for unproduced writers to know when to submit, so a little insight into the development process of great scripts would be very helpful.
PB, I'm sure you've heard the adage, "Writing is rewriting." I suspect that is nowhere more true than with screenwriting. For example, in the recent Creative Screenwriting feature on Pixar's process developing Toy Story 3, screenwriter Michael Arndt talks about multiple drafts he wrote (if memory serves, I believe the number was 60). And that's with an animated movie where the script is locked up front so the actors can record the dialogue, then the animators create the characters, scenery, and all the rest. In a live-action film, rewriting can and often does go on throughout the entire production period. And then they can test the movie and determine they need to do reshoots or an alternate ending, which requires more rewriting. So if you include the original screenwriter typing FADE IN:, then INT., then deleting that to put in EXT., it's possible to say that the revising of a screenplay never stops, not from the first instant of a story's creation to the final cut is done in post.
Which is to say it's a fallacy to believe that when you type FADE OUT / The End on the final draft of your spec script, it's a finished product. In some respects, that's only the beginning of it.
Let's focus here on script development in terms of the writer-representative relationship. That varies from writer to writer and rep to rep. Some agents and managers are primarily involved at the front end and back end of a spec project. Per the former, that means they will sit with a writer and go through the writer's list of original ideas to spec or develop as a pitch, giving advice about which one to focus on based upon current market conditions, goals for the writer's career, and just generally their gut sense of which story concept works or not. Per the latter, once the writer has a draft of the script done, they'll send it to their reps for their read and notes. Almost always, the rep will have the script covered to get the benefit of that feedback, then provide additional comments based upon their own take on the material. This process can go back and forth for several drafts.
Other reps take a much more hands-on approach, so that the writer works up drafts of a treatment, then an outline -- all for review -- before beginning to write a script. And then the writer may provide the rep 30 pages of the script at a time until there's a finished draft. Then more notes and rewrites. I don't think this is the nature of a majority of writer-rep relationships, but I do know several writers (early in their careers) who do work this way with their reps.
At some point, it's common for a rep to 'slip' the script to someone to read, generally a producer or perhaps even a studio exec to get an 'unofficial' read. This is not only important to get a buyer's opinion of the material; if the script is good, it can start the buzz-building process.
Now mind you, this is all writing and rewriting before the script officially goes out to buyers. Certainly there are scripts that come across an agent or manager's desk which end up going to market with little or no rewriting, but you have to figure that's rare. Most of the time, a writer will shape and reshape the script per their own internal editorial process and whatever approach they've worked out with their reps. As I say, that varies from writer to rep.
Here's the rub: At what point and how do the writer and rep determine when the script is ready to go to market? In theory, the rep is in the employ of the writer (after all, the writer is paying the rep anywhere from 10-15% of their earnings). However script development is one of those tricky areas where that dynamic can get blurred and it can feel like the writer is working for the rep, i.e., the rep becomes the final arbiter of the script's development.
While that may seem wrongheaded, bear in mind that in almost all cases, the rep knows the buying marketplace better than the writer. The rep is the one with the most active relationships with producers, talent, execs, etc. So basically their information is stronger. Moreover because the rep reads a lot more scripted material than a writer, especially current specs, drafts of scripts in development at studios, and so on, it's generally safe to assume that the rep's knowledge in this regard is broader.
On the other hand, nobody can know the particular story world of a script more intimately than the writer. And in a good writer-rep relationship, both parties have to be mindful of the writer's passion for the project during the development process as it's critical that the writer stay connected to and inspired by what they're writing. In other words, a rep can not just insist on a writer slaving over rewrite after rewrite to the detriment of the writer's emotional state.
And then there's the bottom line: Do you think the script works as is or not? A writer may believe this last draft is pure gold. The rep may think it needs more work. Who's to say who's right? Maybe the writer's correct and the rep is just nervous about going out with the script because they're not sure they believe in it. Maybe the rep is right because the writer's opinion is based more on the fact that they're sick and tired of rewriting the script, not on the quality of what's on the page.
At some point, it comes down to trust. Does the writer trust their rep's creative judgment? Does the rep trust the writer's creative judgment? In a perfect world, their sensibilities are in sync. Even if they're not, my sense is that most reps will go out with a script, whether they have doubts about it or not. First, if what William Goldman says about Hollywood is true -- "Nobody knows anything" -- then what's to stop an imperfect script from selling? [And by the way, are there any perfect scripts?] Second, a rep only makes money when a script sells... and it ain't gonna sell if it ain't out in the marketplace. And third, as one of my agents once said, "I don't gotta smell it to sell it."
Now again mind you, this is all before the script goes to market. So as important as it is to have an agent and/or manager, it's even more important to have a good manager and/or agent. As a writer, you want to believe that they have your best interest in mind, that they understand story, they aren't afraid to be honest with you, and they are willing to work with you to find some common ground approach to script development.
Then you get lucky and sell the script. Now you enter into another level of development. But that's a whole other level of mishegas, better saved for another time.

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Another great question and another great answer.
As usual of course!
A line from the original post ...
"It's difficult for unproduced writers to know when to submit ..."
Makes me wonder ...
When does rewriting, rewriting, and (more) rewriting eventually become...nitpicking, that could do harm more than good to the screenplay?
I'm sure there are so many different opinions to this question but I wonder.
I've rewritten mine so many times (about a year now) that my mind has suddenly become blank.
Is that a clue?
I'm sure I could continue to nitpick this thing to pieces for another year but maybe it's time time to let it go.
Could be fear...just don't know.
Has anyone else faced this before?
I think I should let it go...
But?
Courtney, here's another situation where "I feel your pain" is a relevant response. I think we all want to believe we can write the 'perfect' script. But that just isn't possible. So it's helpful to remember that as this knowledge can help to loosen the grip of a few of our fingers on our scripts.
The other thing is this: It's critical to get the feedback from knowledgeable readers. Perhaps you have friends or professional acquaintances who have writing backgrounds. Or you go to a peer review site like our own The GITS Club. In some situations, a screenplay consultant may be the optimal choice. But it's important to receive a response that has some connection to 'reality' about what does and does not pass muster in Hwood.
A lot of GITS followers pursue screenplay competitions as a way of determining where their script stands, and hopefully open doors to Hwood.
But bottom line at some point, you just have to have faith and put your script out there.
Again: There is no perfect script. Frankly Hwood doesn't care about perfection anyhow. All they want is a great story.
Thanks for the post, Scott. I've pasted below Terry Rossio's answer to a question with regards to agents and reps. Could you comment on it? (full interview here: http://johnrobertmarlow.com/lonelykeyboard/sa__terryrossio.html)
Question:"What are some signs of a bad rep—things to watch out for?"
Terry Rossio: "When you meet an agent, if one of the first things they mention is how good they are at developing material, and giving notes, I say run. They're just giving themselves an out, a way to excuse not being able to effectively market your work. Everyone wants to be in development, because it takes the pressure off. A lot of agents give notes to help cover the fact that they haven't done anything else for their client. But if a project can't be automatically marketed and sold, it's far better to skip the make-believe that something is actually happening with the agent-rewrite, and just move on to something else.
A writer needs to have the same attitude the Coen brothers had from the beginning of their careers. "Everyone wanted to talk about the screenplay. We told them, 'No, the screenplay is finished. We've handled that. Now we need help making the movie.'"
Now you might point out, that only works if the writer has written something great, if the writer has written something that really works, that doesn't actually need changes. And my answer to that is a resounding yes. Exactly right. If the screenplay is anything less than that, the effort will fail anyway—and rightly so.
Of course, I do a disservice to all the times an agent read a draft and offered some fantastic suggestions and insights, and the writer went on to reassess their own work, and do a much-needed rewrite, and the work was vastly improved for the exchange, and then went on to sell. There is nothing wrong with that, if it happens. But that should never become the target. You can't count on co-writing something with your agent. The writer needs to be the expert on the writing. If someone fixed your work for you, with an actual great idea you missed, that should make you really pissed off, and you should endeavor for it to never happen again. The writer should be vastly more capable than any agent, or anyone else in the world, when it comes to a particular screenplay, else how could the writer ever hope to be hired?"
@George: What Rossio is describing is how I've always worked with agents. They'd get a draft, provide feedback, I'd take that into consideration, but when I said it was done, that's it - the script went out, either as a spec or writing assignment or whatever.
I think most successful, working screenwriters have a similar approach. It comes with the territory. You have to feel confident in your creative instincts.
I responded the way I did to the original question because it's one of several I've gotten in the last several months about 'young' (newer) writers trying to work out their relationship with a manager or agent. I think it's more of a manager thing - with their emergence over the last decade - because they also (often) lay themselves in as a producer on the project (which agents can't do), and part of a producer's job is to develop the script.
Thanks, Scott!
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