From Adam:
I am a huge fan of Aaron Sorkin’s writing. And I feel like part of acquiring your own voice is to emulate the writing you admire (to an extent), but at some point I think it’s important to understand the nature of the tools you’re using. For instance, I believe I have an ear for dialogue. I often aim to make my dialogue “dance”, but I’m not really sure how I’m doing it. I haven’t had any formal education in language beyond high school, and I’m not really sure where to start. My instincts tell me that (Aristotle’s) Poetics, or even Rhetoric would be helpful, but I find the material dense. I’m also particularly impatient when it comes to analyzing poetry, but maybe if I had some sort of companion resource to help me understand the rhythm, I wouldn’t have such a hard time with it. Any suggestions?
Adam, you’re certainly not alone in your adoration of Aaron Sorkin’s writing. I suspect we’re all pretty much excited about this Sorkin penned project:
Re rhythm, I have four suggestions. First take Sorkin’s scripts (and other of your favorites) and type them out, page by page. I’ve read that Felix Mendelssohn hand copied J.S. Bach manuscripts and F. Scott Fitzgerald hand copied Charles Dickens’ novels. Apparently it worked for them. Why not you? Here are links to many Sorkin scripts:
The latter is a PDF. If you scout around, I’m sure you can find PDF versions of the other two.
If you want to focus on dialogue, you can go here to find transcripts of all the episodes of “The West Wing”.
The value of typing out or hand copying a great script is that the process will force you to pay attention to what’s going on with the words and sentences. And I have to believe there’s a certain amount of unconscious learning goes on as well, perhaps even a feel for the rhythm of a story. Laborious, yes, but possibly helpful.
Another suggestion: Read scripts aloud. All of it, scene description and dialogue. Pay attention to your energy as you read. Where are you up, where are you down. Note those moments, then consider the scene or sequence. What’s going on there that caused you to react the way you did? More than likely, you’ll begin to see how the writer managed the pace of the story, which is tied directly to its rhythm.
A third suggestion: Take a favorite script and do a scene-by-scene breakdown. Just what it sounds like, note each scene in order per pages. I posted for one I did for Shakespeare in Love here. The value in doing a scene-by-scene breakdown is that you can see the actual building blocks of the story — the scenes — laid out, one after the other, and start to see how the structure plays out in terms of rhythm (e.g., day scenes after nights scenes, action scenes followed by interaction scenes, cross cuts between subplots, etc).
Finally you mention poetry. One of my best longtime friends is the poet Kurt Brown. He just got an amazing review of his latest book, a collection of poems called “No Other Paradise”. For years, Kurt harangued me to start reading poetry. He sent me book after book. Finally about 6 years ago, I began reading a poem a day. It was supremely easy to do: I signed up for a daily email from The Writer’s Almanac. Each post starts off with a poem.
I didn’t read any criticism. No theory. Just a direct experience with the primary sources — the poems themselves.
Over time, I noticed some things that I thought had direct relevance to writing scene description. First that many poems take a moment — a feather floating through the sky, a cat sleeping on a porch, a rusting car by the side of the road — and delve into that moment to find a world of meaning. That has helped me in my own writing to dig more deeply into each scene I write. Second I saw how great poets can combine words to create incredible visual and emotional reactions in the reader. Not only that, a few words. They have to take such care with each word, finding just the right ones. Minimum words, maximum impact. That has become a mantra for me in terms of scene description, and one reason why I think SD is much more like poetry than prose. Finally there may be no better form of writing that relies on rhythm than poetry. Go to a poetry reading. When the author reads their poems, you really can feel the rhythm of their work.
You can go here to download audio clips of Billy Collins reading his poetry.
You can go here to download audio clips of Stephen Dunn reading his poetry.
You can go here to download audio clips of Stanley Kunitz reading his poetry.
All three are Pulitzer Prize-winning poets and some of my favorites. Listen to them. Feel the rhythm of their words.
And how about this: Maybe it’s time for you to start writing some poetry… to get the feel of rhythm that way.
For more, here are a couple of GITS posts:
American Beauty and The Sixth Sense: Good ‘poetic’ writing
As usual, I’m sure the most excellent GITS community will have advice for you as well, Adam. I look forward to reading their comments as well.
Let’s end with a poem from my friend Kurt called “Fisherman”:
A man spends his whole life fishing in himself
for something grand. It’s like some lost lunker, big enough
to break all records. But he’s only heard rumors, myths,
vague promises of wonder. He’s only felt the shadow
of something enormous darken his life. Or has he?
Maybe it’s the shadow of other fish, greater than his,
the shadow of other men’s souls passing over him.
Each day he grabs his gear and makes his way
to the ocean. At least he’s sure of that: or is he? Is it the ocean
or the little puddle of his tears? Is this his dinghy
or the frayed boards of his ego, scoured by storm?
He shoves off, feeling the land fall away under his boots.
Soon he’s drifting under clouds, wind whispering blandishments
in his ears. It could be today: the water heaves
and settles like a chest. . . He’s not far out.
It’s all so pleasant, so comforting–the sunlight,
the waves. He’ll go back soon, thinking: “Maybe tonight.”
Night with its concealments, its shadow masking all other shadows.
Night with its privacies, its alluringly distant stars.


This probably isn't the right spot to recommend this book, but I'm thinking about it and, well, I think it's good for analyzing story. Geared for plays, but story is story.
Backwards & Forwards: A Technical Manual for Reading Plays by David Ball. http://www.amazon.com/Backwards-Forwards-Technical-Manual-Reading/dp/0809311100
I understand the popularity of Aaron Sorkin's writing, particularly his dialogue, but I think his dialogue tends to have too many zingers, too many great lines, that it's too cute, too "precious". People don't talk that way, even brilliant, powerful ones like Presidents and their staffs. For me, it SHOUTS "written!!!" Regardless of where you come down on him, Paul Schrader once, long ago, said some interesting things about this tendency in some writers:
"I don’t think a movie should have too many good lines—at most five great lines and ten good ones—and the rest should be absolutely ordinary and banal. Too many great lines make it top-heavy and unrealistic. This doesn’t apply to comedy, of course. I think one of the problems with Terry Malick’s writing is that it has too many good lines; you begin to listen to all the good lines—Tom McGuane has the same problem—and it breaks the dramatic narrative thread of the movie. You must learn to use good lines as spice."
Love him or hate him, Schrader makes some valid points.
Some good advice here, Scott, up to the stuff about the poetry.
Modern poetry is absolutely THE WORST thing to read if you want to learn about developing a sense of rhythm in your writing!
Don't believe me? Read the example posted! Go read the review posted with excerpts of Kurt Brown's work! Who talks like that, in movies, in life?
The point of modern poetry is to obfuscate the rhythm in search of faux meaning. The rhythm is funked up and jagged and swirled, because truly rhythmic poetry is completely out of style these days.
So for godsake, seeker, take this part of Scott's advice with a grain of salt. You'll get way better results just listening to dialogue, speaking dialogue out loud, and writing a lot of dialogue.
I'm no Sorkin fan either. His work is super forgettable to me though I never could pinpoint why exactly, but maybe it's the slick dialogue.
However, I've got a copy of The Social Network script in PDF. I'll send it to Scott, in case he wants to post it on GITS. (Not sure what the policy is on scripts for movies that haven't been released yet.) If it doesn't get posted, if anyone wants it, just shoot me an email at:
thewriteidea@gmail.com
and I'll send it to you.
@nanobitches: Just to clarify, I wasn't referring to dialogue re poetry, but to scene description.
"Over time, I noticed some things that I thought had direct relevance to writing scene description."
"Minimum words, maximum impact. That has become a mantra for me in terms of scene description, and one reason why I think SD is much more like poetry than prose."
@Scott — ah, I see that. My bad. Poetry is a good thing to study for economy in language for scene description purposes, but all readers will tell you that flowery, jagged scene description is the bane of their existence. Plain-spoken, direct & economical scene description is the way to go — prose that elucidates, but doesn't obfuscate, the action.
I think I lost the thread of your intention re poetry because the original poster had asked about developing rhythm in dialogue. But as I said in my post, it's all good advice, and I adore this site and the work you're doing!
@nanobitches: Not a problem as I did steer the discussion away from dialogue to scene description. And on that subject, you might enjoy some posts I did a few years back re the writing style in Wall-E, which Andrew stanton described as "haiku style." Go here for more.
@Scott: Heh, that's pretty cool — fine for the boys at Pixar. But of course if any spec writer tried doing that, his script'd get trashed in 17 microseconds.